I think we need to have a little more feedback and politics on the blog. What are your opinions on this subject?? How can we fix health care in this country??? We watched this movie at work last week and thought it was pretty good since our medical benefits have been getting worse and worse over the years. It was very well done for a documentary.
Sunday, January 20, 2008
What do you all think about the movie SICKO?
I think we need to have a little more feedback and politics on the blog. What are your opinions on this subject?? How can we fix health care in this country??? We watched this movie at work last week and thought it was pretty good since our medical benefits have been getting worse and worse over the years. It was very well done for a documentary.
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You may be interested to read some more about SICKO
http://www.stopunum.com/the-american-sicko-system/
http://www.stopunum.com/british-sicko-coming-soon-or-is-it-here-already/
Here is my 2 cents.
1. In my youth, for years, I loved Roger and Me. Even though there was all the time the lingering notion in the back of my mind that the whole documentary was biased and unfair.
2. In my old age, I have absolutely no respect for Moore as a purveyor of Truth. He is a propagandist and will skew the images and the music and the sound bites to further his cause regardless of the truth.
3. I have not yet seen Sicko, but I have the feeling that I will be more agreeable with his conclusions in this movie than I have been of anything he has done before.
4. I am guessing I will heartily agree with his description of the debacle that is the current USA health care system.
5. But I am also guessing I will also heartily disagree with his romanticized description of social health care in England, Canada and France. If you listen to people from those places, one hears about lackadaisacal care, and years and years and years of waiting for the care one wants.
6. In those socialized countries, I am told, when one is desparately ill (and has the moola) one goes to America.
7. We in America, it seems to me, need to choose between great care for the few and mediocre care for the many. As a Christian, I suppose, I am for mediocre care for the many. But if you look at all the marvelous medical innovations that have happened in the past 50 years, we have to realize that without the financial incentive they would not have happened. In other words. . .I am totally ambivalent!
I have no idea if Ralph already checked in as anonymous but I will tell him about this. I agree with Daniel and think that Michael Moore will skew anything that he puts out. We don't want socialized medicine in any way, shape or form, and I don't know enough to give an informed answer to the solution. Ralph is much more informed than me. He would be happy to tell you whom he trusts on talk radio and where he gets most of his information on the web.
1. We saw the movie. It was pretty compelling. But it was not an even sided documentary. It makes you want universal health care or at least think about it.
2. Moore does expose the US health care system. And I agree that it really is a mess. He interviews some pretty highly credentialed people.
3. He also does present romanticized versions of Canada, France, UK, Cuba, and Norway systems. He doesn't present any negative aspects.
4. I might be a single-issue health care voter this year. I don't care how they fix it, but I would like to see it get fixed. It seems like we should be able to have some base level of health care for everyone--mediocre care for the masses? If people want to pay more for more, they can.
8. I'm not sure how much we should talk about politics on this blog ;-)
As you all know our plant is shutting down. When Agrium bought the plant from Unocal everyone under 50 years old lost their medical benefits they had accrued over the years. I would guess this is happening in many other takeovers. Now that our plant is shutting down these people have to pay for COBRA at about $800 a month or try to find something cheaper. Those with a bad health record cannot get coverage.
What percent of Americans have no healthcare? Those who do have insurance ultimately pay for those who do not.
I believe in capitalism, but when it has no compassion unlimited greed takes over.
One thing the movie did not touch on much was the cost of healthcare due to lawsuits.
It is worth watching.
Good comments! All I know!!! don't expect gov't to fix anything! It always turns into a bigger bureaucracy, with too much room for corruption, and too little room for incentive or creativity, and trillions of dollars wasted!
Michael Moore is usually dishonest,and the rest of the time, deluded! But all that said, I haven't heard any good ideas. The Church just needs to get a lot better at practicing Divine Healing which is obedience to Jesus commands to "heal the sick".
Good comments all.
I haven't seen the film yet - when it comes out on DVD I'll borrow it from the library. Perhaps at that time I'll be able to read/watch something from a slightly different point of view at the same time - kind of like my 'global warming' experience.
At this point I have nothing new to add to the discussion except that I am finally open to some kind of 'mediocre care for the masses' especially because of things like Mark mentioned: "Those with a bad health record cannot get coverage."
Here is an article that is worth reading about a Consumer Reports survey about health care that just came out in Feb. You can copy (ctrl/c) this and paste it (ctrl/v) into the address bar.
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/healthmatters/2008/02/04/what-americans-want-from-health-care-reform/
Here is a little sample:
Just in time for Super Tuesday, Consumer Reports has a new poll on what results Americans want to see from an overhaul of the U.S. health-care system. There are six basic outcomes that more than 80% of the 1,200 adults in a national sample said they want to have guaranteed:
1. Coverage for all uninsured children
2. Protection against financial ruin due to a major illness or accident
3. The ability to obtain coverage regardless of a preexisting condition
4. Coverage that continues even when people are laid off, changing jobs or starting their own business
5. Premiums, deductibles and out of pocket expenses that are affordable relative to family income
6. The ability to keep current health coverage if desired
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